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#153045 - 04/04/2003 16:39 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: Roger]
tms13
old hand

Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

...the databases don't matter -- they can be rebuilt...


True, but it's quicker to copy than to rebuild them. Worked for me, anyway.
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#153046 - 04/04/2003 23:03 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: image]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
can i delete the *1 fids and tell emplode/emptool to rescan the tags?

No. emplode/emptool don't look at the ID3 tags once the files are on the player. They deal entirely with the *1 files (actually, they read from /empeg/var/database and write to the *1 files).

Moreover, if you delete the *1 file, this is equivalent to deleting the *0 file -- emplode/emptool will treat that FID as unused, and will overwrite it the next time that you upload some new music.

If you were to port ID3 tagging to the player, it would be of very little use, unless you planned to retrieve the files from the player -- since once the files are on the player, nothing uses the ID3 tags.

I guess if you were using Hijack to stream from the player, it would be quite useful, though.

Anyway, if you're going to port ID3 tagging to the player, just make your app update the *1 files (and rebuild the databases) while it's there.
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#153047 - 04/04/2003 23:06 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
these are a lot thinner than those

Cool. I was keeping my eye out for the 60Gb Toshiba, but nobody seems to have any in stock. Maybe I'll look for the 80Gb disks instead. There's probably a large price premium on them at the moment, though.

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#153048 - 05/04/2003 01:32 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: tman]
skibum
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Registered: 27/03/2002
Posts: 248
Loc: Swindon, UK
the new 80gb is 9.5mm which is the same size as the 40gb toshiba gas (which I have in another device). Not sure about the 60gb tosh.
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#153049 - 05/04/2003 04:57 Heat question [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

I don't want to raise concerns, but has anyone else dealing with the 80s noticed that they run a bit warm? Taking the drives out and swapping them around, I notice that they are quite warm (I don't have any accurate way of getting a temperature estimate - warm / hot to the touch, where you can handle them, but don't want to hold them for too long without letting them cool down).

Keep in mind, I don't do this that often, and this might be normal. Also, the drives in question had been copying data non-stop for 15 hours or so, with the player sitting in a wooden docking station.

Okay... checking the specs, the 80s are slightly lower power and operating noise. It might just be that I am not used to it.
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#153050 - 05/04/2003 05:11 Re: Heat question [Re: pgrzelak]
BartDG
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
...the drives in question had been copying data non-stop for 15 hours or so,...

Your drives are warm from the constant copying, no doubt about it. I imagine with regular Empeg use they will be even cooler than the previous drives because they operate at lower power. (though I don't think it will be possible to feel the difference)
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#153051 - 05/04/2003 05:17 Re: Heat question [Re: BartDG]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Good. I thought it shouldn't be a problem, but I just wanted to get a reality check.
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#153052 - 05/04/2003 06:46 Re: Heat question [Re: pgrzelak]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Mmm.. if it worries you much, then the fan speed in your docks can be adjusted -- disconnect the power, pop off the bottom panel (4 screws), and look inside for a potentiometer (variable resistor) soldered to one of the pins on the power jack. Space is tight, so be careful not to mess anything up. The pot can be adjusted with a tiny slotted screwdriver inserted into the middle slot. A small twist goes a long way.

Cheers

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#153053 - 05/04/2003 07:00 Re: Heat question [Re: mlord]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

Oh, it is not a problem during normal operation. The players have been through a lot of use recently - they are on their third and final batch of drives now. They have been copying files solidly for days now. I will keep that in mind, though. Good to know if I need to adjust in the future.

Edit: Cool! Promoted!


Edited by pgrzelak (05/04/2003 07:00)
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#153054 - 05/04/2003 08:03 Re: Heat question [Re: pgrzelak]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Yeah. The first two docks I built (#002 is in circulation, #001 is being saved to raffle off at a future Empeg meet) had fixed resistor values. After those, I switched to variable resistors to allow field adjustment for warmer environments. Here in the GWN is probably not the best place for calibrating the fans..

Cheers


Edited by mlord (05/04/2003 08:05)

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#153055 - 05/04/2003 08:26 Re: Heat question [Re: mlord]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Very cool Mark! That's great to know! Maybe you could add a note about this on your page incase anyone needs it in the future?

Don't listen to me, I'm a hoser.
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#153056 - 05/04/2003 08:46 Re: Heat question [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Too much work for me, so, like, take off, eh!

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#153057 - 05/04/2003 13:05 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: wfaulk]
mdavey
enthusiast

Registered: 06/03/2003
Posts: 269
Loc: Wellingborough, UK
The problem is with software and hardware engineers redefining the meaning of the SI prefixes (mega, giga, etc). The IEEE and IEC have tried to rectify the situation, but few have adoped their recomendations.

In essence, this standardization means that the hard drive manufacturers have got it right and the memory manufacturers haven't.

Funny thing is, IT professionals usually pride themselves on adapting to change. I doubt we will be able to walk into a PC World or Staples and ask for 1 Gibibyte of memory any time soon without some very blank looks from the staff.
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#153058 - 06/04/2003 07:27 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
avatarTX
member

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 193
Loc: Dallas Texas USA
I am just in awe that you guys actually have that much music.
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#153059 - 06/04/2003 07:57 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: avatarTX]
kswish0
enthusiast

Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 212
Loc: Virginia, USA
I am just in awe that you guys actually have that much music.
ditto

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#153060 - 06/04/2003 08:14 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: kswish0]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Actually what amazes me is that when the Mk. 1 empeg came out, you could get it in 2GB, 4GB and 6GB capacities! IIRC

That may be one reason the empeg didn't sell more units. It was ahead of its time in more ways than one (and still is) but the HD manufacturers weren't caught up yet. I remember thinking that a 10GB model would only store a small fraction of my music, and only if I encoded at 128kps. But knowing how easy it was to add a HD was a major factor in me buying one.
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#153061 - 06/04/2003 15:34 Re: 80GB HD in empeg! [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

Finished. It took all weekend, but I now have 37.3GB free on the player! I have room to expand again!!! Now, I just need to wait for Harry Potter 5 to come out...
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