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#164394 - 06/06/2003 08:32 Friday time wasting link
Dylan
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 498
Loc: Virginia, USA

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#164395 - 06/06/2003 08:34 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: Dylan]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Nice! Just what I need when I have 30+ source files to check in today
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#164396 - 06/06/2003 08:47 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: Dylan]
cushman
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Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
Link to play fullscreen .

Refresh the page to play again.
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#164397 - 06/06/2003 08:59 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: tonyc]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Just what I need when I have 30+ source files to check in today
Or what I need when I have to write a document explaining why perfect randomness tends to "favor" certain values, even after having explained this 100+ times in the last three months. I need every diversion I can get.
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#164398 - 06/06/2003 09:23 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: JeffS]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
Or what I need when I have to write a document explaining why perfect randomness tends to "favor" certain values, even after having explained this 100+ times in the last three months.
Can you forward a copy to the Empeg guys? I wanna know why a full-player-shuffle still tends to cluster neighboring FIDs.
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#164399 - 06/06/2003 09:44 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: Dylan]
fusto
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Registered: 27/12/2001
Posts: 504
Loc: Lummi Island, WA
Oh man, that game sucks (is very good).
I hate you (appreciate the distraction).
You really shouldnt post stuff like this on a Friday (got anymore?)
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#164400 - 06/06/2003 10:17 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: tfabris]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Can you forward a copy to the Empeg guys? I wanna know why a full-player-shuffle still tends to cluster neighboring FIDs.
Ha! I'm not statistician, this document is about a very specific program and I doubt it would work to cover anything else. It basically states (in a much longer format) that given a small number of tests pure randomness will tend to favor certain values and yield a bell curve, but over a larger number of tests this curve will flatten. However, as we tend to perceive things in smaller sections we see the outliers on the bell curve and assume the program isn't random. In order to prove that the program is working I actually broke the selection code out into a separate program where I could simulate 100,000 tests and show that the curve is flat (all items are selected at an equal percentage) over extended use. However, any given set of 50 tests will appear to have items "favored" over others.

Anyway, my document is much longer and more detailed, but that's the basic jist. It really just explains why my test proves that the program is truly random, even though it isn't perceived that way. I’ve had calls daily on the subject, and trying to recall all my statistics from college has been making my head hurt. At one point I even plugged a binomial distribution function into a spreadsheet in order to give users specific expectations based on their data, and this shuts most calls up (mostly because they don’t understand what I’m sending them, but it works). This document is being prepared for the head bigwig, who needs more than just a simple Excel spreadsheet.
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#164401 - 06/06/2003 15:31 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: Dylan]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
Wow, I'm glad I didn't see this at work. I was way to busy to check the board today, and I'm glad!

I got to level 8, but that red board throws some wicked curves at you.

Fun stuff, thanks a lot! Now I just hope I don't remember it on Monday morning...
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#164402 - 06/06/2003 21:43 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: JeffS]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
Because people are influencing the randomness*.

*See the book Margins of Reality, which details a set of scientific experiments in which people were able to influence, in a statistically significant manner, the bias of a random process with has a gaussian distribution, using no physical interaction in the process.


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#164403 - 09/06/2003 09:49 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: tfabris]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
Can you forward a copy to the Empeg guys? I wanna know why a full-player-shuffle still tends to cluster neighboring FIDs.
And can you forward a copy to Tony Fabris? He wants to know why a full-player-shuffle can appear to cluster neighbouring FIDs.

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#164404 - 09/06/2003 16:16 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: peter]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
And can you forward a copy to Tony Fabris?
Wouldn't apply I'm afraid (unless you did some tests to back up the expected behavior), but I feel your pain!
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#164405 - 10/06/2003 10:29 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: JeffS]
russmeister
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Registered: 14/07/2002
Posts: 344
Loc: South Carolina
Has anyone pasted the 8th level? Here's my score...

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#164406 - 10/06/2003 10:36 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: russmeister]
Dignan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
I didn't pass the 8th, but I got 28050 and beat the red guy once in the 8th. It's f'ing hard on that level.

Of course, as many times as I play, I always seem to screw up royally in the 2nd or 3rd levels. It's embarrasing
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#164407 - 10/06/2003 12:14 Re: Friday time wasting link [Re: russmeister]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
anyone figure out a way to start on a higher level ?
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