#229644 - 05/08/2004 22:41
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 26/01/2002
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Loc: Massachusetts,USA
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Just installed and it seems to work fine in AC mode.Will attempt DC mode soon.
Yea I just noticed tony added the supress_notify=1 thing in
my config.
I thought i needed to add [output]notify=1 ?
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#229645 - 05/08/2004 23:14
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: newguy1]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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For one thing it's actually suppress_notify and not supress_notify. At one point it was supress_notify but Mark corrected the typo.
notify in the output section tells the player to send out information on the serial port about what it's playing and what point it is at in the song.
suppress_notify in the hijack section however tells Hijack to silently absorb those messages and not send them out on the serial port. The messages are still parsed by Hijack however.
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#229646 - 05/08/2004 23:16
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: newguy1]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Yea I just noticed tony added the supress_notify=1 thing in
my config.
I thought i needed to add [output]notify=1 ?
The new script should have done both for you. Only notify=1 is required, but if you don't have suppress_notify, you'll have a bunch of messages output on the serial console, which will slow things down, especially if car_rate isn't set properly.
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#229647 - 06/08/2004 00:04
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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Yes those settings are in there so it must have done it.  I added the serial car_rate setting to my config.and tried it in forced DC mode and it appears to be functioning  Maybe my problems from the earlier version were because I didn't have the serial car rate setting or the suppress setting.
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#229648 - 06/08/2004 00:16
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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Launcher is obsolete. Use ;@MENUEXEC instead! 
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#229649 - 06/08/2004 00:39
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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v2.02 is out: - Changed the loop timer to try to reduce CPU utilization. The player should hopefully lag less now.
- The method I was using for switching visuals depended on having favorite visuals set, and some people don't, so I'm trying a new way. This one uses one less button press, and seems to work on both v2 final and v3a8.
- It's the Unix script's turn for a bugfix. Took the passive mode command out, which really shouldn't have been there. If you tried to install from a Unix box and it failed, try, try again.
As always, feedback is welcome.
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#229650 - 06/08/2004 02:23
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Just installed it yesterday, and today found the info modes that have song info overlaying the visuals. I'm sure you noted it somewhere, but I just "discovered" it for myself today. I must say, I was giddy. It'll take some tweaking to get it the way I like it, but I'm floored with it already. Yet another addition of coolness factor to the already coolest ever car-stereo. I'm stoked. Simple minds, simple pleasures, eh?
Thanks Tony C., you rawk!
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#229651 - 06/08/2004 04:54
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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I tried version 2.01 in the car on the way home from work today for the first time and its freezing up for me as well. It runs for a couple seconds and then just goes to a black screen. The music continues to play and all the controls seem to respond, but I never get any other output on the display. I pulled it from the dash and reinserted it a few times and it always seems to do the same thing.
-Mike
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#229652 - 06/08/2004 05:46
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
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I get a similar problem with mine in Big Lyrics mode. I've played a song where the lyrics display fine in other modes, but in big lyrics mode, after the transient info goes away, I'm left with a blank screen and music.
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#229653 - 06/08/2004 09:34
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: JBjorgen]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I get a similar problem with mine in Big Lyrics mode. I've played a song where the lyrics display fine in other modes, but in big lyrics mode, after the transient info goes away, I'm left with a blank screen and music.
Are you running v2 by any chance? I'm thinking that's because you don't have the "big" font for big lyrics mode. The empeg lads have not given me permission to redistribute fonts, so I haven't. You'll need to extract the "13pixel.bf" font from one of the v3 alphas. The only fonts that are on *all* player releases are small.bf and medium.bf. 13pixel.bf and large.bf are sometimes there, sometimes not, and v3a8 has neither of those two. If you do a ls on the /empeg/lib/fonts directory and it's missing any of those files, that means some fonts aren't there.
BTW, glad you like the app, thanks for the kind words.
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#229654 - 06/08/2004 09:45
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I tried version 2.01 in the car on the way home from work today for the first time and its freezing up for me as well. It runs for a couple seconds and then just goes to a black screen. The music continues to play and all the controls seem to respond, but I never get any other output on the display. I pulled it from the dash and reinserted it a few times and it always seems to do the same thing.
-Mike
Hmm. It runs for a few seconds? Strange. Only thing I can think of at the moment is to bump up your ReserveCache, maybe it's running out of memory. But that doesn't seem right, either. You don't have gpsapp or anything else running "in the background" at the time, do you? I might need you to try Force DC mode and send me any serial output if it happens there.
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#229655 - 06/08/2004 11:18
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: tonyc]
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old hand
Registered: 23/07/2003
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Loc: Colorado
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Is there any way, using emphatic (the new version of which is AMAZING, Tony...thank you for all your hard work on it!), that it may be possible to actually get japanese (and other) tag information onto the empeg? You know, so I don't have to keep two sets of MP3s, one for my Nitrus (which fscking rocks, so far showing both Japanese and Russian tags without a problem) and one for my empeg (which shows neither)?
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#229656 - 06/08/2004 11:56
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/01/2000
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FYI: In v3a8 "...the car-player now supports tags in all the languages of Europe, except Georgian and Armenian (and they might count as Asia anyway)."
If you ask really nicely, they might extend this to Japanese.
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#229657 - 06/08/2004 12:15
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
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FYI: In v3a8 "...the car-player now supports tags in all the languages of Europe, except Georgian and Armenian (and they might count as Asia anyway)."
If you ask really nicely, they might extend this to Japanese.
It's not just about niceness, unfortunately: we (I) drew Cyrillic, Greek, and Latin Extended-A. We licensed in the Japanese glyphs, and we'd have to check whether our licence covers the car-player.
Peter
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#229659 - 06/08/2004 12:21
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Is there any way, using emphatic (the new version of which is AMAZING, Tony...thank you for all your hard work on it!), that it may be possible to actually get japanese (and other) tag information onto the empeg?
You know, so I don't have to keep two sets of MP3s, one for my Nitrus (which fscking rocks, so far showing both Japanese and Russian tags without a problem) and one for my empeg (which shows neither)?
Hmm. You'll have to excuse my ignorance here, but is there a Japanese font on the empeg to begin with? Assuming there is, the next question revolves around whether vfdlib (the graphics library I'm using) can support whatever mechanism is used to map characters in the tags to characters in the font.
If you can send me a small MP3 with Japanese tags, along with an image of what it's supposed to look like (maybe just the same words typed out in a word processor or something) I'll see what I can do. Send it to the email address on the emphatic "Contact" page.
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#229661 - 06/08/2004 12:31
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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Since I don't have v3a8, I'm only assuming that "all the languages of Europe" includes cyrillic for Russian. Which makes me giddy.
Not just Cyrillic for Russian but Cyrillic extensions for Macedonian, Ukrainian, and so on. (U+0400..U+045F)
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If we get Japanese tag support, my head will officially explode and rain tamarind flavored candy upon all those around me.
There's a potential licensing issue, and also the issue of the sheer size of the font. It'd probably be for Mark 2a or memory-upgraded players only.
Peter
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#229662 - 06/08/2004 13:36
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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There's a potential licensing issue, and also the issue of the sheer size of the font. It'd probably be for Mark 2a or memory-upgraded players only.
Peter
While you're here and discussing font licensing, can I get an answer to the question I asked you and Rob via PM and email regarding redistribution of the player fonts? I'd like to include small.bf, medium.bf, large.bf, and 13pixel.bf in emphatic since some of them are missing from various releases of the player software, and I'd like some degree of certainty that they'll be there. If the answer is "no" then that's fine, I'd just like to know if it's a reasonable request or not.
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#229663 - 06/08/2004 14:20
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
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While you're here and discussing font licensing, can I get an answer to the question I asked you and Rob via PM and email regarding redistribution of the player fonts? I'd like to include small.bf, medium.bf, large.bf, and 13pixel.bf in emphatic since some of them are missing from various releases of the player software, and I'd like some degree of certainty that they'll be there. If the answer is "no" then that's fine, I'd just like to know if it's a reasonable request or not.
We haven't worked out an answer yet. On the one hand, large and 13pixel were IIRC drawn entirely by us, so the relicensing thing doesn't apply -- but on the other hand they were only ever included in player releases by accident. No player release has ever used them.
Peter
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#229664 - 06/08/2004 14:23
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
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I'm not joking here: I will create the font file from scratch if that's what its going to take.
Haven't the vfdlib people reverse-engineered the v3 font format? If they have, you potentially don't need our help at all...
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Also, there are a number of freeware kanji fonts available, some even in the linux distros.....
Not, I'd guess, in a 6-pixel-tall size...
Peter
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#229665 - 06/08/2004 15:22
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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We haven't worked out an answer yet. On the one hand, large and 13pixel were IIRC drawn entirely by us, so the relicensing thing doesn't apply -- but on the other hand they were only ever included in player releases by accident. No player release has ever used them.
Okay. I just wanted to know what the limitations are. If it'd be easier, I can revise my request to just include large and 13pixel since the other two are pretty much guaranteed to be present for the foreseeable future.
-Tony
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#229666 - 06/08/2004 16:34
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Hmm. It runs for a few seconds? Strange. Only thing I can think of at the moment is to bump up your ReserveCache, maybe it's running out of memory. But that doesn't seem right, either. You don't have gpsapp or anything else running "in the background" at the time, do you? I might need you to try Force DC mode and send me any serial output if it happens there.
Well, it runs briefly. Like its dieing about the same time that it sends the IR codes to set the visual mode. Here is a dump from it crashing in forced DC mode...
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1490 Feb 13 2004
Vcb: 0x40800000
emphatic(13): memory violation at pc=0x02009ff0, lr=0x0200a668 (bad address=0x0)
pc : [<02009ff0>] lr : [<0200a668>]
sp : bffff854 ip : bffff86c fp : bffff868
r10: 40145128 r9 : 0200254c r8 : 0204b800
r7 : 02001e80 r6 : 4000c2a8 r5 : 00000001 r4 : 0205ecb4
r3 : 00000008 r2 : 00000000 r1 : 00000000 r0 : 00000000
Flags: Nzcv IRQs on FIQs on Mode USER_32 Segment user
Control: C0C7917D Table: C0C7917D DAC: 00000015
Function entered at [<02009fc4>] from [<0200a668>]
Function entered at [<0200a528>] from [<0200b4c4>]
r4 = 0205ECB4
Function entered at [<0200aeb8>] from [<02006ce0>]
Function entered at [<02005964>] from [<02003a44>]
r5 = 00000001 r4 = 0205ECB4
Function entered at [<0200254c>] from [<4007d040>]
r4 = BFFFFE54
Function entered at [<4007cee4>] from [<020024bc>]
r10 = 4001D858 r9 = 00000000 r8 = 00000000 r7 = 00000000
r6 = 02002498 r5 = 00000000 r4 = 4001E5EC
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#229667 - 06/08/2004 16:52
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Okay, can you delete the "visual=" attribute from the first display mode and try again? There is no valid reason I can think of why it's dying there when the only thing I changed was the specific codes I'm sending... Especially one that would only happen in DC mode. But if you don't set a visual attribute, it won't try to send those codes, and I can see if it's really related to that or not. Still doesn't tell me where to look, but it at least gets rid of the possible red herring.
It also would be helpful if you can bump up the debug level of emphatic by running it with the following:
/usr/local/bin/emphatic --debug 5
and send me the output right around the time it crashes.
Are any other apps running at the time, by the way?
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#229668 - 06/08/2004 17:08
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Okay, can you delete the "visual=" attribute from the first display mode and try again?
Actually I've already removed that due to yesterday's bug.
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and send me the output right around the time it crashes.
debug level: 1
opening display...
[emphatic.c:267] player version: 2
[emphatic.c:283] hijack version: 410
[emphatic.c:300] power: 1 (DC)
[emphatic.c:321] starting notify thread...
[emphatic.c:323] notify thread started (tid=1026)...
[emphatic.c:4531] [1] Funky Lyrics
[emphatic.c:4531] [2] Vertical Lyrics
[emphatic.c:4531] [3] Cool Track
[emphatic.c:4531] [4] New Track
[emphatic.c:4531] [5] Funky Track
[emphatic.c:4531] [6] Horizontal Lyrics
[emphatic.c:4531] [7] Big Lyrics
[emphatic.c:4531] [8] MTV
[emphatic.c:4531] [9] Transient w/ Time
[emphatic.c:4531] [10] Title Behind
[emphatic.c:4531] [11] Details
emphatic v2.01 (built Aug 3 2004 21:46:59) running as pid 13
Using non-standard cache size 90 (adjustment 10)
player.cpp : 564:empeg-car 3.00-alpha7 2004/02/13.
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1490 Feb 13 2004
Vcb: 0x40694000
[emphatic.c:359] TAKEOVER rc: 0
[emphatic.c:373] main thread starting
old mode: 0, count: 11
[menus.c:220] new mode: 0, count: 11
[threads.c:651] new fid: fid=1374, old fid: 0
emphatic(13): memory violation at pc=0x02009ff0, lr=0x0200a668 (bad address=0x0)
pc : [<02009ff0>] lr : [<0200a668>]
sp : bffff844 ip : bffff85c fp : bffff858
r10: 40145128 r9 : 0200254c r8 : 0204b800
r7 : 02001e80 r6 : 4000c2a8 r5 : 00000003 r4 : 0205ecb4
r3 : 00000008 r2 : 00000000 r1 : 00000000 r0 : 00000000
Flags: Nzcv IRQs on FIQs on Mode USER_32 Segment user
Control: C0C7917D Table: C0C7917D DAC: 00000015
Function entered at [<02009fc4>] from [<0200a668>]
Function entered at [<0200a528>] from [<0200b4c4>]
r4 = 0205ECB4
Function entered at [<0200aeb8>] from [<02006ce0>]
Function entered at [<02005964>] from [<02003a44>]
r5 = 00000003 r4 = 0205ECB4
Function entered at [<0200254c>] from [<4007d040>]
r4 = BFFFFE44
Function entered at [<4007cee4>] from [<020024bc>]
r10 = 4001D858 r9 = 00000000 r8 = 00000000 r7 = 00000000
r6 = 02002498 r5 = 00000000 r4 = 4001E5EC
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Are any other apps running at the time, by the way?
Nope, just emphatic.
-Mike
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#229669 - 06/08/2004 17:13
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mlord]
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Master Boot Logo(er)
Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
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Launcher is obsolete. Use ;@MENUEXEC instead!
Thanks Mark.
I added it to the config.ini.
This feature is awesome! Is there any limit as to how many EXE commands you can have in the menu?
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#229670 - 06/08/2004 17:15
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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D'oh... Sorry, I meant --debug=5. Should be more output that way.
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#229671 - 06/08/2004 18:10
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: peter]
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old hand
Registered: 23/07/2003
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Not, I'd guess, in a 6-pixel-tall size...
Agreed. This is why I brought it up to Tony initially. My thought was that, since emphatic allows us to define our own display modes.
I, for example, don't really care about having all the extra info on the screen while I'm playing music; I only really care about Artist, Album, and Track. By dumping the "[xxxx/xxxx]" and "x:xx/x:xx", I figure I could gain enough room to use a decent size (i.e. 9 or 10 point) freeware kanji font. I just wouldn't understand how to go about working it into emphatic by myself.
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#229672 - 06/08/2004 18:23
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I just wouldn't understand how to go about working it into emphatic by myself.
I'm not sure I do, either. If the "old" font file format was sufficient, then it'd be easy, because there is a font editor for the old format here. But the old format only supports 255 characters, and there are, what, 1000+ kanji symbols? That requires the new v3 font format, and to my knowledge, no font editor for the v3 fonts was ever released. I don't think the guy who wrote the font editor hangs around the BBS anymore, either, otherwise it might be pretty easy to adapt his program to support v3 fonts.
Beyond that, once we have a font file, I have to figure out how to make sure the extended character set works in vfdlib. For all I know, vfdlib makes assumptions about one byte per character, etc, in which case the modifications for supporting unicode or whatever else is needed are probably beyond my abilities/current knowledge. But if you manage to connect a few of those dots for me, I'd be happy to give it a shot.
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#229673 - 06/08/2004 18:31
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
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But the old format only supports 255 characters, and there are, what, 1000+ kanji symbols?
About 4,000 in the JIS X0208 subset used by Karma and Nitrus. (Plus about 10,000 more in JIS X0213, plus several tens of thousand more if Chinese is also desired.) The v3a8 player fonts contain over 700 glyphs just in support of European languages.
Peter
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