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#300259 - 24/07/2007 16:57 Re: My iPhone review [Re: tfabris]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5803
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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After all the zealots have paid top dollar for the first iPhone, and the initial buzz has died down, then they'll offer cheaper models.

I can't wait to see the iPhone shuffle:

- no screen
- a single call/hang up button
- no speaker or mic (head set only)
- a shuffle on/of slider to decide whether to step sequentially through your phone book or just dial randomly

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#300260 - 24/07/2007 19:43 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andy]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3979
Loc: Manchester UK
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After all the zealots have paid top dollar for the first iPhone, and the initial buzz has died down, then they'll offer cheaper models.

I can't wait to see the iPhone shuffle:

- no screen
- a single call/hang up button
- no speaker or mic (head set only)
- a shuffle on/of slider to decide whether to step sequentially through your phone book or just dial randomly




If I was drinking something right now it would be all over my screen!

On the subject of cameras on phones, I would've thought just about every phone sold in the UK right now has a camera.... Although a friend of mine just got the Sony.W950I which has almost every gadget my N95 has, except a camera..... what were they thinking?

I agree cameras on phones are crap compared to a proper camera. However, if you're taking photos on a night out in a pub or at a concert they do just fine.
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#300261 - 24/07/2007 20:03 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andym]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31321
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I agree cameras on phones are crap compared to a proper camera. However, if you're taking photos on a night out in a pub or at a concert they do just fine.

See, it's funny you say that, because I'd think that those would be two specific situations (low light) when cell phone cameras would perform at their worst.
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#300262 - 24/07/2007 20:09 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andym]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5803
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
I feel like buying up a large stock of these http://www.blueunplugged.com/p.aspx?p=115949



In five years time when people are desperate for a phone that just makes calls and has a screen that you can read in daylight, I'll make a killing
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#300263 - 24/07/2007 20:25 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andy]
Schido
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Registered: 29/03/2005
Posts: 364
Loc: Probably lost somewhere in Wal...
Actually i saw these on sale here for only 39 (without simlock)


http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Motorola_MotoFone_F3/551-78358-614-2.html
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#300264 - 24/07/2007 20:26 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andy]
AndrewT
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
Although having a camera would be nice for those "Hey, look where I am" picture messages, I'm still happily using my trusty old Nokia 6310i. While I appreciate the gadgetry value of modern phones, I'm happier owning something that "just works" and not freaking out every time I drop the thing.

The most important feature on the 6310i that's missing for me is a speakerphone function. The 1110i has that, MMmm!

Obligatory picture of the 6310i.....



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#300265 - 24/07/2007 21:39 Re: My iPhone review [Re: tfabris]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3979
Loc: Manchester UK
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I agree cameras on phones are crap compared to a proper camera. However, if you're taking photos on a night out in a pub or at a concert they do just fine.

See, it's funny you say that, because I'd think that those would be two specific situations (low light) when cell phone cameras would perform at their worst.


I'm talking more about the situation than the surroundings. I'm not trying to emulate David Bailey, I just want a picture. I don't want to have to carry a camera around as well as a cell phone, wallet, keys, etc. I personally wouldn't even contemplate taking my Ixus with me when I go out at night.

Sure, I wouldn't do somebody's wedding photos on one, but I'm quite pleased with the results from my phone.
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#300266 - 24/07/2007 22:52 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andym]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
Some of us work in places where cell phones are permitted but cameras are not. So the camera equipped cell phone has to stay home.
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#300267 - 24/07/2007 22:53 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andy]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5410
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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In five years time when people are desperate for a phone that just makes calls and has a screen that you can read in daylight, I'll make a killing


Here is my next cell phone.

I'm serious. The only thing it does is make and receive phone calls. Funny thing... that's the only thing I want a telephone to do.

Of course, I am a true luddite at heart -- for instance the only thing I do with my empeg is play music with it.

Is this what the term Generation Gap is about? After all, I am about two generations older than most of the people here.

tanstaafl.
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#300268 - 24/07/2007 23:51 Re: My iPhone review [Re: tanstaafl.]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
It's far more expensive than my new phone, both in initial cost and in service. And I paid a good bit for the phone I chose over some of their free phones. And there's no contract. Sure, the phones can do more than just make phone calls, but you don't have to use those features at all. You can still just enter 7 digits and press send.
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#300269 - 25/07/2007 00:30 Re: My iPhone review [Re: tanstaafl.]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
Here is my current cell phone.

Yeah baby.

-Zeke


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#300270 - 25/07/2007 00:31 Re: My iPhone review [Re: gbeer]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2491
Loc: East Coast, USA
Cell phone cameras are worthless. But they sure are nice as instantly accessible VIDEO cameras. I've got the "VCR blinking 88:88" fear preventing me from learning how to use my DV cam. So, I just grab the Treo, shoot a video, and sync it to my computer!
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#300271 - 25/07/2007 00:39 Re: My iPhone review [Re: Ezekiel]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
The dual-band one as pictured or the GSM tri-band one?
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#300272 - 25/07/2007 07:07 Re: My iPhone review [Re: andym]
sein
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Registered: 07/01/2005
Posts: 890
Loc: Sector ZZ9pZa
I never thought much of having a camera in a phone, I used my Treocam pretty rarely when I did have it. Now I have an E61 without a camera I actually *do* miss it. The rare occasions where I would use it make me think its so convenient to have.

Instant photo evidence when I have had parking tickets and was technically parked legally (happens too often here)... photos of labels to note model numbers... photos of competitors pricing and promotions when I'm out... MMS messaging the odd photo of a product to a customer... its handy once a month or so.
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#300273 - 25/07/2007 10:56 Re: My iPhone review *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: sein]
Dylan
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 498
Loc: Virginia, USA
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#300274 - 25/07/2007 11:40 Re: My iPhone review [Re: gbeer]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1488
Loc: Arizona
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Some of us work in places where cell phones are permitted but cameras are not. So the camera equipped cell phone has to stay home.

Thats exactly what I was thinking about. The only thing that is preventing me from buying an iPhone (if they are in stock, no clue about that) is the fact that I wouldn't be able to take it to work, or almost any of the places I travel to for work. Why spend the money on it if you can't take it with you everywhere you go?

That is what prompted my question about the cameras in cell phones. It seems like almost every phone out there has a camera any more and there should be a market for some decent phones without a camera.

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#300275 - 25/07/2007 12:53 Re: My iPhone review [Re: Tim]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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if they are in stock, no clue about that

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"We have noticed decent inventories at stores and thin demand at best," CIBC analyst Ittai Kidron wrote in a note. "Among the stores we visited, most visitors were not looking at the device, and only a very small subset bought it."

Apparently both Apple's and AT&T's stocks slumped significantly based on this news.
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#300276 - 25/07/2007 14:24 Re: My iPhone review [Re: wfaulk]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Loc: Seattle, WA
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"We have noticed decent inventories at stores and thin demand at best," CIBC analyst Ittai Kidron wrote in a note. "Among the stores we visited, most visitors were not looking at the device, and only a very small subset bought it."

Apparently both Apple's and AT&T's stocks slumped significantly based on this news.


I think most of the slump was due to overblown expectations. I was hearing some reports that expected 500k units to move opening weekend. The numbers coming out are pointing at around 150k for June 29th 6pm to June 30th, so not even the entire weekend is covered yet. Apple's full Q3 results come out later today, so it will probably shed more light on it.

Though the good thing is that Apple generally takes a long term look at their health in the stock market, as any company should. So a one day dip (one that was barley 1%) quickly disappears in the incredible gains they have seen over the past many years. I really wish previous public companies that I worked for had a long term outlook in mind instead of just the short term.
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#300277 - 25/07/2007 14:39 Re: My iPhone review [Re: drakino]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I think most of the slump was due to overblown expectations.

Agreed.

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So a one day dip (one that was barley 1%)

AAPL closed on June 23 at 143.75. They closed on June 24 at 134.42. That's a 6.5% "dip".

However, that's still higher than it's ever been, ignoring the peak of the past few weeks.


Edited by wfaulk (25/07/2007 14:41)
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#300278 - 25/07/2007 15:00 Re: My iPhone review [Re: wfaulk]
burdell1
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 930
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
Now I just wish i could afford one.....

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#300279 - 25/07/2007 15:16 Re: My iPhone review [Re: Dylan]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Can the iPhone accept the 12V input from a firewire charger? Lots of people have firewire chargers hanging around from older iPods and there are some people reporting problems. I would expect it to work as I'd be very surprised if Apple sold a charger with a physically compatible plug but is electrically incompatible in a destructive way.


From a disassembly of the iPhone dock, pins 19 and 20 are wired through, and that is the two pins that carry the 12v firewire power, along with pins 29 and 30 carrying the ground. 3 of the 4 data pins are not wired at all, with the 4th likely being connected simply to inform the user that firewire cannot be used for syncing. I'm not sure why Apple would wire up the power pins if the iPhone couldn't accept them, since the dock is iPhone specific.

If it does work, I'd be tempted to go with this solution, as the firewire port on Macs can still provide power even when the machine is asleep.
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#300280 - 25/07/2007 17:19 Re: My iPhone review [Re: tanstaafl.]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3166
Loc: Portland, OR
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Here is my next cell phone.
[...]
Of course, I am a true luddite at heart

Bah. True luddites don't carry cell phones at all!

Cell phone free, and loving it!

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#300281 - 25/07/2007 17:30 Re: My iPhone review [Re: wfaulk]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
As-shown Verizon CDMA/Analog Dual Band. Analog's still useful in rural parts of NH and Vermont.

-Zeke
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#300282 - 25/07/2007 18:00 Re: My iPhone review [Re: canuckInOR]
Redrum
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Registered: 17/01/2003
Posts: 994
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Here is my next cell phone.
[...]
Of course, I am a true luddite at heart

Bah. True luddites don't carry cell phones at all!

Cell phone free, and loving it!


Wow I thought I'd be the only one here without one. I guess I'm a luddite (whatever that is). I had a cell phone for years but never used it. It was an old Motorola with orange lighted numbers. The carrier finnaly said they were dropping me (I paid $9 a month for years) becasue they said they didn't support analog phones anymore.

No loss. I'm happy to keep my $9. However my company wantsto get me a phone. I don't care, I'll never use it

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#300283 - 25/07/2007 20:24 Re: My iPhone review [Re: wfaulk]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Loc: Seattle, WA
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So a one day dip (one that was barley 1%)

AAPL closed on June 23 at 143.75. They closed on June 24 at 134.42. That's a 6.5% "dip".


Oops, looked at the wrong numbers.

Anyhow, Apple said 270k were sold in the quarter, IE, June 29th launch night and June 30th. They expect to hit a million by September. And launches of it in Europe start sometime in Q4.

Afterhours trading has AAPL at 149.14 currently, so it seems they have already regained that dip, and are now hitting a new peak.
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#300284 - 25/07/2007 21:38 Re: My iPhone review [Re: drakino]
Phoenix42
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Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1394
Loc: MA but Irish born
270k iPhones? Is this just in the US? So like one in every hundred Americans has an iPhone???
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#300285 - 25/07/2007 22:33 Re: My iPhone review [Re: Phoenix42]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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270k iPhones? Is this just in the US? So like one in every hundred Americans has an iPhone???
Yozzer!


Your math's a bit off. That would be a bit less than one in every thousand based on a US population of ~300 million.
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#300286 - 26/07/2007 00:07 Re: My iPhone review [Re: wfaulk]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5410
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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Sure, the phones can do more than just make phone calls,


Just some of the features crammed into that phone that I don't want, and don't want to have to deal with in a complex menu structure:

Web browsing
Text messaging
Speaker Phone
TTY/TTD service
Superphonic ring tones
Games
Graphics
Voice Mail
Alerts
Subscriptions
Maps
Weather
Calculator

etc.

You're correct, I don't have to use those features if I don't want to, but nonetheless they are there and they will add complexity to the user interface.

I probably use my cell phone five or six times a year so I neither want nor need anything even remotely fancy.

tanstaafl.
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#300287 - 26/07/2007 02:46 Re: My iPhone review [Re: tonyc]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
But by the end of September they'll no doubt be at over 1 million iPhones, bringing the ratio close to 1 in 300.
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#300288 - 26/07/2007 03:22 Re: My iPhone review [Re: Tim]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
There are about 6000+ of em at my job site. edit: Workers than can't carry camera phones on the job.


Edited by gbeer (26/07/2007 03:42)
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