#235321 - 28/09/2004 03:27
News on Darkstorm
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Registered: 11/03/2004
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Loc: mesa, az
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I have been offthe forum for a while. Has anyone heard what has happened to Steve Silva from Darkstorm? I have a order over a year old that has not been filled. PLEASE HELP WITH ANY INFO!!!
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#235322 - 28/09/2004 03:33
Re: News on Darkstorm
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Registered: 23/07/2003
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Loc: Colorado
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Ummm, I hate to tell you, but you may as well write off your order with Steve. I don't think anyone knows if he's even still alive.
Best bet is to put in an order with Filener. Excellent lens, excellent service.
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#235325 - 28/09/2004 05:47
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Registered: 16/06/2000
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Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
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I think that we'd all like to know how he is doing.
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#235326 - 28/09/2004 17:18
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[Re: Laura]
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Last I heard, he had lung cancer.
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#235327 - 28/09/2004 17:22
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Yes, but we want to know how he's doing?
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#235328 - 28/09/2004 17:30
Re: News on Darkstorm
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 19/01/2002
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Loc: Columbus, OH
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Don't know...was just offering that tidbit to bigstupidjerk, who hasn't been around in a long time.
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#235329 - 28/09/2004 18:59
Re: News on Darkstorm
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Registered: 11/03/2004
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Loc: mesa, az
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I sent a email to his webite and it was immediately returned as undeliverable. The Guy Must be GONE!!!
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#235330 - 29/09/2004 20:33
Re: News on Darkstorm
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pooh-bah
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
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I think he kept in touch with Paul G but that was months back. Maybe Paul can chip in here.
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#235331 - 30/09/2004 00:40
Re: News on Darkstorm
[Re: bigstupidjerk]
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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If he couldn't pay the bill to his ISP, they'd have cut him off. Really it means nothing.
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#235332 - 30/09/2004 01:06
Re: News on Darkstorm
[Re: Daria]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
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I sent him an email tonight but have not heard back but it didn't get returned either. I'll let everyone know if I hear anything.
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#235333 - 30/09/2004 08:17
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[Re: Laura]
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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I have heard nothing from him for over a year, maybe longer. After repeated attempts to contact him, I did not pursue it further.
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#235334 - 05/10/2004 05:39
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[Re: bigstupidjerk]
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 345
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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i sent him about $100 for some lenses well over a year ago, never heard back, it sucks, but you're not alone. Sometimes this happens.
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#235337 - 06/10/2004 10:25
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pooh-bah
Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
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If he's still in the Pompano Beach area of Florida, two Stephen Silva's are listed J & C, of course, he might be neither of them, but if those that have lost money want to pursue it further, you would have to pay for a more comprehensive profile.
I don't read him as being intentionally a crook, but that life has punched him on the nose and he has panicked and reacted badly.
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#235338 - 06/10/2004 10:34
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
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Care to stand behind your words? Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. Maybe he's dead. We don't know.
Whatever, my point is that this community differs from others in that cowardly 'anonymous' potentially slanderous postings such as your above are not considered helpful or wanted.
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#235339 - 06/10/2004 11:23
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[Re: bigstupidjerk]
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old hand
Registered: 09/01/2002
Posts: 702
Loc: Tacoma,WA
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I have been offthe forum for a while. Has anyone heard what has happened to Steve Silva from Darkstorm? I have a order over a year old that has not been filled. PLEASE HELP WITH ANY INFO!!!
Has anyone thought of filing a police report with the county where he lived? I know it might seem to extreme for some, but it might be an easy way to get the information. If the police found out he is deceased at least the issue will be solved and if he's not.. well the issue will be resolved too.
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#235341 - 06/10/2004 15:16
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[Re: genixia]
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Registered: 24/07/2002
Posts: 618
Loc: South London
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Care to stand behind your words? Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. Maybe he's dead. We don't know.
Whatever, my point is that this community differs from others in that cowardly 'anonymous' potentially slanderous postings such as your above are not considered helpful or wanted.
Given that a fair few people on him paid for lenses and never received anything (me included - me personally over $100), then I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment - illness or not, he was still around for a while after I'd paid him and pre him saying anything about cancer.
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#235342 - 06/10/2004 15:25
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[Re: sn00p]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Care to stand behind your words? Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. Maybe he's dead. We don't know.
Whatever, my point is that this community differs from others in that cowardly 'anonymous' potentially slanderous postings such as your above are not considered helpful or wanted.
Given that a fair few people on him paid for lenses and never received anything (me included - me personally over $100), then I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment - illness or not, he was still around for a while after I'd paid him and pre him saying anything about cancer.
Well, you have the guts to stand up to your words, that's commendable. Thank you.
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#235343 - 06/10/2004 15:47
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Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 314
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
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As we all know or have been told Steve has been dealt a crappy set of cards. I just wanted to point out that I have also ordered lenses from him in the past first when we started his little business and again a while later. In all cases he filled my order. Granted the second and third orders I placed took a good 10 months to complete.
My point being, he did fill many orders. I agree that a lot of people did not receive anything. If he did indeed have/has lung cancer his priorities changed. Although, again, I agree with some that this should have been handled better.
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#235344 - 06/10/2004 15:52
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[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 24/07/2002
Posts: 618
Loc: South London
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Care to stand behind your words? Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. Maybe he's dead. We don't know.
Whatever, my point is that this community differs from others in that cowardly 'anonymous' potentially slanderous postings such as your above are not considered helpful or wanted.
Given that a fair few people on him paid for lenses and never received anything (me included - me personally over $100), then I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment - illness or not, he was still around for a while after I'd paid him and pre him saying anything about cancer.
Well, you have the guts to stand up to your words, that's commendable. Thank you.
Not my words I'm standing up for, I've long since given up any hope of receiving the lenses or a refund, as I said, even when he was still regularly posting on here I'd not received any response to PM's or emails I'd sent asking when he was going to send my lenses.
There seems to be an attitude on here that "forgives" him for not responding/supplying lenses/refunding because he was ill, the least he could have done was said "I'm ill, I had to give up work, I've had to use your money for other purposes" - after all, he had time to make other posts on the bbs. I wouldn't have been happy, but hey, there's more to life than money. I don't even remember him apologising for this, infact if I recall correctly he got quite nasty when somebody on here asked for a refund.
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#235345 - 06/10/2004 16:01
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[Re: sn00p]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Not my words I'm standing up for, I've long since given up any hope of receiving the lenses or a refund, as I said, even when he was still regularly posting on here I'd not received any response to PM's or emails I'd sent asking when he was going to send my lenses.
Er. I didn't mean to imply you were the anonymous person. I was thanking you for making a "bad" post and not feeling the need to not acknowledge they were your words.
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#235346 - 06/10/2004 16:04
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[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 24/07/2002
Posts: 618
Loc: South London
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Sheesh, it's wrong to agree with somebody now......
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#235347 - 06/10/2004 16:07
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[Re: sn00p]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Sheesh, it's wrong to agree with somebody now......
It is? Crap. I'm doomed.
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#235348 - 06/10/2004 17:59
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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So now you're saying it's 'obvious' that he is a thief. Are you the judge and jury?
Don't get me wrong. Assuming that he is indeed still alive, I think it's about time people tracked him down to find out what is happening. Members of this community have shown great patience, and regardless of any illness or calamity that may have fallen on him, it is well past time that he dealt with the fact that he owes people money.
But that still doesn't change the fact that your statement was potentially libelous (*). Until convicted of theft, you cannot label anyone a thief without it being at least _potentially_ libelous. Suppose he ended up in court on charges and was found not guilty (for whatever reason or technicality). He could then turn around and sue Tom for publishing that statement.
I don't want to stop anyone expressing their opinion. Free speech is protected to begin with, and it's not like I have any way to stop it anyway even if I were so inclined. But you didn't express an opinion that you thought that he was a thief. You outright called him one.
A judge in a libel case just isn't going to care how long you've been lurking anonymously on a forum, or what has been posted before, when deciding whether he is indeed a thief. He's going to look at the convictions - and only the convictions.
Welcome to the community. Please treat it with care.
(*) Yeah, I used the wrong word earlier. Libel is writtten, slander is spoken. I think you knew what I meant.
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#235349 - 06/10/2004 18:01
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[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Yeah, I used the wrong word earlier. Libel is writtten, slander is spoken. I think you knew what I meant.
I loved that line in Spider-Man.
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#235350 - 06/10/2004 19:41
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[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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You absolutely have got to be kidding. We're in some world were we can't call someone who took dozens of people's money, never delivered and never appologized a theif? I wish people here showed 1/2 of the sympathy towards the people that lost their money as they do towards DS. I don't recall a single person on this BBS saying that they would still be mad at him if he ever appologized. Yet for some reason, the moment that anybody complains about losing their hard earned money, they are attacked. If I recall correctly, one of the main issues that caused him to never make lenses was that his "dumb boss" wouldn't let him use the company machine to do it.
I also know of several people that own empegs but are not active members of this BBS that got ripped off. This isn't just one or two people we're talking about. This is most likely hundreds of dollars.
We aren't running a major newspaper here. This isn't slander or libel or anything like that. This is people who have been robbed. I think we need to look at priorities here. I would gladly choose to be "slandered" on a BBS with 50 or so active members, only one of whom I've met in person, over having my money being taken from me.
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#235351 - 06/10/2004 19:44
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[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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You absolutely have got to be kidding. We're in some world were we can't call someone who took dozens of people's money, never delivered and never appologized a theif?
Actually, he said calling Darkstorm a "thief" was libelous; He said nothing about "theif", which is good, because if you want to call people nonsense words, that's your right.
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#235352 - 06/10/2004 19:55
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[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 05/01/2001
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Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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