I agree...and the S3 isn't as obnoxious either (and is single DIN). I'd be interested to see some specs and availability on those two. According to the mp3car forums, the G4 is next year's model of the T3 and will be available from their site at some point. They haven't got their hands on a prototype S3 yet and don't even know if it's a real product. Wait and see I suppose.