Bitt, sorry if the thread is gone awry.
I wasn't blaming you.
I was just being preemptively apologetic! It can suck when a worthy thread gets buried by tangents and I am very interested in your original subject.
I think the counts of screaming crazies at town hall meetings are too high.
I'm not talking about reality. I'm talking about perception.
I think I am, too. In terms of Obama popularity/mandate, we have all of this other huge stuff going on like bailout bonanza and Afghanistan and Iraq, but the teabaggers didn't seem to have *that* much traction until their outrage over socialist health care demons took over the news cycle.
you aren't going to get more care for the same money without driving cost out somewhere.
This is based on the fallacious argument that insurance companies cannot make money by insuring people. This is clearly an insane argument, as insurance companies are currently making money doing just that. I
think that's one of the complaints. .
Insurance companies *definitely* make money by insuring people!!! That isn't the same as getting care to people. And the insurance companies have done great by cherry picking populations, denying claims for preexisting conditions, et cetera.
And, although I haven't seen any studies, I don't think that you'll find that the uninsured are significantly sicker than the insured; there are huge numbers of people who are healthy but can't afford insurance.
I haven't kept up in many years, but I think that there are tons of studies in this area and many at least show that the uninsured delay seeking care for longer periods, are sicker when they show up (in the ER) and cost more to fix. And sure there are plenty of healthy people both insured and uninsured, but the insured ones aren't maybe averse to seeking care and aren't so much at risk of getting a $16.000 bill liek a relative of mine.
Where you put this as a preference, I have to say again: 31 percent of cost.
Fuck cost. I want people to have the opportunity to be as healthy as possible.
OK, you can blow off cost if you want. But you can't.
Cost is key. All health care systems ration in some way to restrain costs. The question is how you do that and where does that limited pot of money go. People in the U.S. *with* insurance have come to believe that the pot is infinite.
Personally, I'd rather have something flawed that has a chance of getting signed into law than a perfect solution that will never happen.
I'd rather have something good that gets passed. But I think too much has already been given away for that to happen.
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