That helps in my decision of the Pioneer. I was looking at the Alpine with the buttons on it for menus, but if they are worthless anyhow, I'll stick with the Pioneer. I like the fact that their nav system uses SDAL, so in theory it should last longer and have cheeper map updates.(Now if only they would release a SDAL CD for Finland for Kim).

I may just end up setting the Pioneer as the main unit, now the question is if the Pioneer will let me mix the two. I'll probably head down to the local store with one and see if they can test it. (I'd still like to see one in operation before buying since Pioneers site leaves much to the imagination). If not, an external solution will probably be needed, and I'm probably not skilled enough to do this decently.

And I'd definitly be interested in the TV option. What are your plans for it so far? Any visuals with it, or just song title and time display?