..i agree..not a big fan of C++, I write stuff in 'C' and a multitude of different assembly languages.... There is some cool stuff about C++ and I used it once at work (implemented a rather snazzy excel style grid control for use in a visual basic program), but then converted the C++ back to C to use in another project... MFC in particular sucks, I don't know what's wrong with the standard Win32 API... In fact the gnome people got it right by not using C++.... (At least in Gnome 1)...

Adrian