just one more thing: the Explorer was another on the list for me too, but I dont' think they cn justify the price. I can't see spending that much when the Odyssey was much more attractive for the same price.

ps-don't let the sound of the Odyssey stereo fool you. it sounds like ass, but once the head unit is taken out and the empeg and an amp put in, the speakers sound perfectly fine.

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