If I recall correctly, Loren, when you played with the preproduction Karma it was before certain things on the UI had been worked on.

Almost all of the stuff you do in the menus now can be done equally with the wheel and the stick. At the time you used it, it was probably still in the stage where you had to use either the wheel or the stick in many places. Now you can use both almost everywhere.

The only places where you can't use both are where they are deliberately going for multiple functionality, where the two inputs do deliberately different things. For instance, having the wheel do FF/REW while the stick does play and stop.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the interface now. I might just be used to it. But I have to say that it didn't take long to get used to, and it works very well. It's certainly a lot nicer and simpler than many other interfaces I've used.