ninti, if you disagree with just about EVERYHING I've said, I don't really thnk that we can have a rational give and take here. I don't think anyone else here has had any trouble finding a bit of common ground.

I can at least empathize with you. Like I said, I voted for Nader because I wanted to be Democrat but just couldn't bring myself to like anybody running. But I didn't really HATE the Democrat party after 9/11 when I saw them paint themselves into a corner where anything that was good for our country became bad for them simply because it was happening during Bush's presidency. And worse yet, they were downright gleeful when they thought the Afghanistan war plan wasn't working (pretty hard for them to stand up on this one now huh?) and the same in Iraq (we don't have enough troops!)

Soooo.... we can't agree with anything, but I know how you feel when 9/11 made you nearly hate a whole political party.