I think you miss understood me I didn't mean that I want my system to blow my speakers at -20db, but when I have to turn my amps gains to the lowest setting and I still get a little noise through my system.

Ah, then obviously there's more going on than just amp gain issues for you. The floating ground issue on the Mk1's isn't an easy one to solve for some folks. In my case, it's my fault that I've got ground loops: My amps are grounded in different locations than the head unit, and my power filtering on the head unit complicates matters even further. If I ran some heavy ground wires in the right places and chassis-isolated everything, I know I could get rid of the noise completely. I've just reached a point where I've reduced the noise enough so that I no longer notice it, so I'm satisfied.

I'm glad that Emepg has taken care of this issue on the Mk2, though. They've done a really good job listening to their early adopters.

-- Tony Fabris -- Empeg #144 --
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