I haven't used Netware since early 5.0 days, and it was just starting to not be a piece of crap then. It didn't help that they gave everybody who could write their name down a CNE certificate (and they were proud of it, too). I specifically had a system once where I'd fixed a problem in a very kludgy manner and I suggested to my manager that she hire someone to come in for a day or two and fix it right. By the time she left, it was in worse shape than before I ``fixed'' it. I ``fixed'' it again.