Really, how much discussion is going to occur about the Karma before most everything has been said?

Well, that's why in my original statement I didn't have ten Karma forums, just four. The last two being very worthwhile, since I doubt the first generation of Karmas will be perfect, and this would provide a place to collect good ideas for improvements, as well as a place to discuss any bugs. I think that as long as the Karma is the top-of-the-line portable that we think it's going to be, there will be enough to talk about. There are active iPod forums, after all, and the Karma is supposed to be the iPod killer.