If we are to have a Karma forum, make it only visible once you are signed in.

That's not a bad compromise. That'd allow our Karma threads to be in the right place without affecting our other forums, but wouldn't attract the Johnny-Come-Latelies that everyone seems to be scared of. I still don't see what the big deal is, I mean, the iPod forums don't seem to be overrun with too many schmucks, and we could always protect our existing Off Topic forums or restrict access to "old school playas" from the current user base... There are other options, I just thought it was a good time to start thinking of those options.