So this sounds like just regular "remove" to me ... The whole point of remove completely is to remove all references (so by definition, refcount > 0). What is the problem in this circumstance with not checking remove completely/

well yeah. all i have to do is delete without removing completely, and then search for refs=0 and delete whats not in a playlist.

i just wanted to to take out these steps. just a pet peeve that i'm sure no one else will reflect. just ignore me. =)