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Racial bigotry is based on percieved stereotypes and skin colour, which have nothing to do with whether a person is human -- regardless of anyone's convictions.


I'm sure some people will beg to differ with you on this point.

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The other boils down to when does "life" begin -- because it's pretty clear that wantonly taking life is wrong..........I don't know, but I think it's wrong --


Yeah, you see, there's this fundamental thing that everyone on this board has pretty much missed here. I'll give you a hint...It''s so obvious it causes me physical pain that it's been overlooked for so long on so many threads...everyone playing along at home, roll up a newspaper or magazine and whack yourself about the head a bit and yell this at the top of your lungs while you do it.... (we need a large text button so I can yell more effectively)



Ya see, there's this funny thing about human life. IT JUST DOESN'T PROGRESS BEYOND THE BLASTCYST PHASE WITHOUT A UTERUS TO IMPLANT INTO. EVEN IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE IVF ZYGOTES COOKED UP IN A LAB. UTERUS, FREEZER, OR DEATH. NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE. AND THERE'S THIS FUNNY THING ABOUT A WORKING UTERUS, IT ONLY COMES PACKAGED IN A FULL GROWN FEMALE HUMAN BEING. ONE ENTITLED TO FULL CONTROL OVER HER BODY.

Now, ya see, you're making yet another mistake here. You're assuming the anti-choice rapist behind the pharmacy counter will step aside and let the other pharmacist without an objection to contraception do the job (and no, it's not just plan b and the likes, some pharmacists refuse to dispense regular ol birth control pills, sometimes because they're against birth control, some think it's only unmarried harlots who shouldn't have them and no givey pills without seeing spouse, and some who are so entrenched in the lying rape culture of the anti-choice movement, say they cause "chemical abortions", again unproven, even with 40 years of research on oral contaceptives to look at.) And if you do a little googling, you'll find many a story of prescriptions confiscated, berating the patron, and all manner of common anti-choicer terrorist tricks. (Go watch an abortion clinic stocked with "sidewalk counselors" one day, the pharmacy counter is just another bully pulpit for their gutter values and rapist agenda) All of these actions involve abuse of power to force your will onto someone else's body. This isn't forcing someone who believes porno is morally wrong to edit a lesbo movie. It's a hell of a lot deeper than that. Pregnancy causes permanent alteration of the body, whether it is carried to term or not. Carrying a pregnancy to term is a very public thing (and some people get all wierd and touchy feely toward pregnant women, even if they're total strangers. We should let pregnant women carry whacking sticks for use on these people). Denying a woman contraception based on your belief is possibly forcing her to endure an unwanted pregnancy for your morals, which may well just lead to that abortion they wanted to prevent anyway, only you might get the double harassing fundie rapist effect. Once at the pharmacy counter, once again (or maybe two or three times, depends on how many BS roadblock laws your municipality has) on the walk into the clinic. Now, does the woman denied the contaceptives get the right to castrate the pharmacist because she thinks that's an appropriate punishment for rape? I'm guessing few people will agree with that, because that's like wrong and stuff. But for anti-choicer to subject her to unwanted intervention with her fertility, fine and dandy.

But don't just take my word for it, check out Pharmacists for Life International,feel the love and respect for female patient as person. This is the largest organization pushing for these refusal clauses. It's the cunt for breeding, cunt for fucking, person after you fill those roles mentality.

You don't want to do a job, step aside and let someone who's willing do it. No one owes you a job any more than you owe some random dude on the street a cut of your wages.

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Interesting -- I've never had to deal with Plan B, so I admit to not knowing a thing about it.


I'll bet you've got no preference in brand of tampons either, and your underwear drawer has a lot less satin and lace than mine (unless you're kinky like that). What we've got here is someone with no knowledge of the subject and no vested interest in it running off with an opinion. Might I ask what even makes you entitled to having one regarding something that is so not about you?

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My above statements were made while considering the new abortifactant drug that Jim was talking about, which is what I thought Bit was referring to, and which I think is a bit elevated from "regular" birth control (which I'll define as anything that prevents your medical definition of pregnant).


So you're confused and running off confused and spouting an opinion on it. Even tho the easily googled plan b was specifically mentioned.
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  • Not my definition of pregnant. It is the one the American college of Obstetrics and gynecology (i think i remembered that name right) and some other respectable medical organizations use.

  • Chemically induced abortion with the drugs WagonBoy mentioned is not new. As a matter of fact, I don't know of any doctor that would write a script for that unsupervised, and I can go buy a few scripts for whatyever the hell prescription drug I want to use recreationally, from a licensed medical doctor (some with good reputations even!) at 1:00AM. Fer chrissakes, some of 'em will even deliver.

    More clarification:

    There are two common methods for performing a medical abortion.

    The first procedure, using a drug called Mifeprex, also known as RU486, is taken orally in a doctor's office and followed two days later by another medication called misoprostol, which causes the uterus to contract, resulting in the expulsion of the pregnancy tissue.

    The second procedure, using a drug called Methotrexate, includes an initial injection, followed one week later by misoprostol, which causes the uterus to contract, resulting in the expulsion of the pregnancy tissue.

    As for unchecked sale and use of these drugs as an alternative? There's about a 10% failure rate. They cause severe birth defects. At best, it'll be thalidomide babies redux, but I bet it will be far worse than that. We don't have much to study, as women who are given these drugs agree before hand to surgical abortion in case of failure.

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    personally, I don't care about your pussy, let alone what you do with it. Not having a pussy, I can't possibly have the same perspective you do.

    Yet you've offered uninformed opinions on it, and expounded on what rights people who have beliefs differing from it's owner have to enforce those beliefs on women, and how they should be protected while doing it. And I bet you didn't even realize it, and don't see anything wrong with it. Hell, everyone's got rights to operate within their morals, even if those morals come at the expense of something so personal and dear as the rights of another to control their own body. I mean, they're not real people, just baby factories.


    If I recall correctly, you're a white christian male, aren't you? (And that's only half snark in that question)
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    "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -Susan B Anthony