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But what would you consider proof? Isnīt faith based on the unseen, not the seen?

Faith isn't based on "the unseen", so much as it's a belief that doesn't rely on having "seen". If what's "seen" aligns with your belief, it can serve to strengthen your faith. Contrarily, if what you see directly refutes your faith, you have to discard your faith -- if you're as rational as Jeff shows himself to be, since it will strike at whatever premises that the faith is based on. Holding on to a belief after it is demonstrated to be false is no longer faith -- it's delusion.


Perhaps some people can see what others canīt.

But as others have mentioned, no one was there to witness the dawn of time. Youīre just putting your faith into todayīs scientists.

So far weīve come up with a theory that lots of chemicals, strings, and bangs magically formed life. So where did the strings in your theory come from, Drakino? How can something begin if nothing existed beforehand to create it?

But now tfabris will step in any minute and mention that the same logic applies to God. Where did he come from? How could God exist without being created by something else? Whether we were created by a swirling magical concoction of gas and strings or by a magical guy with a smoking finger, something had to have created whatever created us.

The entire situation is a paradox. To exist, something has to be created from something else. You need raw materials and you need a catalyst. So when there is nothing, how could there then be something?

The difference between the theories is that the big bangīs answer is purely scientific, but thereīs no room for paradoxes in science, is there? The only answer is that there is a higher being, or at least a higher understanding, where thoughts and comprehension are completely different, and basic principles to us like time, matter, energy, and 2+2 are all just part of a giant curtain pulled over eyes, hiding our incredibly simple minds from comprehending the real truth.

A chicken has a brain the size of a pea. This animal is so fucking stupid, it canīt even figure out that its purpose in life is to be our dinner. And yet, itīs one of the cockiest animals on earth. I bet every damn rooster thinks heīs got it all figured out, but here we are looking down at them bobbing their heads, and we know that they donīt understand a damned thing. If we could somehow hear a chickenīs thoughts and ideas about how and why it exists, we would all have a great laugh, wouldnīt we?