I think that should be "empegs suck" or "empeg sucks", but not "empeg suck's".

hey we are not all hardware,strongARMindeepth,c++,debian crack's out here

I'm not meaning to be rude here, but programming embedded systems isn't for everybody. However, I'm living proof that you can do interesting and useful stuff on the empeg with the barest of knowledge about any of the topics you mention.

In my opinion, the guys at empeg are providing much more than they need to, given they are essentially selling a car audio product. One could ask that if you can't bootstrap yourself from the developer image to where you want to be (with Verement's site and this BBS for guidance) then do you really want to be mucking around and generally doing potentially nasty things to your system?

I don't.

Richard.