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I'm just tired of reading the Anti-Bush sentiment that is constantly put forth as an obvious truth, full well knowing that there are those here who disagree with the premise.

I've seen noobdy putting their opinions out as an "obvious truth." In a debate like this, everything we say is, by definition, our own opinion. In many of these discussions, I've had my own understanding of the truth changed based on information and opinions others have put forth. Sometimes in subtle ways, sometimes in more fundamental ways. If I thought I already knew the real truth about everything, I wouldn't bother getting involved in any type of political discourse at all.

Of course, nobody goes into a debate thinking they're wrong. And at times, we all find actual facts, evidence, which can support our position. But unless those things are indeed fact, I don't think they're portrayed as such.

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It just seems having an objective debate is not really feasible and attempting one is not very constructive.

I'm really sorry you guys feel that way.
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