Originally Posted By: mlord
Originally Posted By: JeffS
Originally Posted By: Cris
Originally Posted By: JeffS
but I do have an issue with death without sin in the world


Hang on, let me get this clear. Your belief is that if there were no sin in the world there would be no death ??? At all ???


Yes. This is actually a pretty fundamental Christian belief

Err, no, I don't believe so.
It may be a particular fundamental tenant of a specific brand of fanatacism, but it has little to do with Christianity. God, the Bible, perhaps, but not Christ.

Cheers


To label belief in the teachings of the New Testament (which clearly teaches this- I can provide scripture references if they will help) as a "brand of fanaticism" seems disingenuous to me. Historically the word "Christian" implied a general trust in the teachings of the New Testament, even those who do not regard it as the infallible word of God.

You would have to throw out the entire book of Romans and much other New Testament text to achieve a Christian faith that does not teach death as the result of sin. Which is fine to believe, but it is wildly inconsistent with historical Christianity.
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